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Chris Murphy, Shoop - the good old days
Roger Howard
2011-03-10 18:04:39 UTC
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I think the only reason I'm still subscribed to the MacOSX-Admin list is the occasional enjoyment I get from watching Shoop perform, so what a pleasure to see Chris Murphy back in action too!
Charles Bennett
2011-03-10 20:36:48 UTC
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Post by Roger Howard
I think the only reason I'm still subscribed to the MacOSX-Admin list is the occasional enjoyment I get from watching Shoop perform, so what a pleasure to see Chris Murphy back in action too!
I sort of miss the free rolling mess that was a good old nutters fight but, to quote Paula Poundstone

"The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it's just sort of a tired feeling."

I don't think I have the energy to get a good one going.

I see Jesus post on Gizmodo now and then, but haven't had the heart to drop a latex reference into his comment area..

Been tempted though.

Chuck
Lawrence Sica
2011-03-10 21:39:31 UTC
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Post by Charles Bennett
Post by Roger Howard
I think the only reason I'm still subscribed to the MacOSX-Admin list is the occasional enjoyment I get from watching Shoop perform, so what a pleasure to see Chris Murphy back in action too!
I sort of miss the free rolling mess that was a good old nutters fight but, to quote Paula Poundstone
"The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it's just sort of a tired feeling."
I don't think I have the energy to get a good one going.
I see Jesus post on Gizmodo now and then, but haven't had the heart to drop a latex reference into his comment area..
Been tempted though.
Now all we need is a post from Xah to really complete the circle. Saying his name might invoke him though, oops.

--Larry
Roger Howard
2011-03-10 21:45:21 UTC
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Post by Lawrence Sica
Post by Charles Bennett
Post by Roger Howard
I think the only reason I'm still subscribed to the MacOSX-Admin list is the occasional enjoyment I get from watching Shoop perform, so what a pleasure to see Chris Murphy back in action too!
I sort of miss the free rolling mess that was a good old nutters fight but, to quote Paula Poundstone
"The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it's just sort of a tired feeling."
I don't think I have the energy to get a good one going.
I see Jesus post on Gizmodo now and then, but haven't had the heart to drop a latex reference into his comment area..
Been tempted though.
Now all we need is a post from Xah to really complete the circle. Saying his name might invoke him though, oops.
Saying Xah's name three times is the only way to summon Xah.
David Evenson
2011-03-10 21:46:25 UTC
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Post by Roger Howard
Post by Lawrence Sica
Post by Charles Bennett
Post by Roger Howard
I think the only reason I'm still subscribed to the MacOSX-Admin list is the occasional enjoyment I get from watching Shoop perform, so what a pleasure to see Chris Murphy back in action too!
I sort of miss the free rolling mess that was a good old nutters fight but, to quote Paula Poundstone
"The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it's just sort of a tired feeling."
I don't think I have the energy to get a good one going.
I see Jesus post on Gizmodo now and then, but haven't had the heart to drop a latex reference into his comment area..
Been tempted though.
Now all we need is a post from Xah to really complete the circle. Saying his name might invoke him though, oops.
Saying Xah's name three times is the only way to summon Xah.
Xah Lee.

Wow, and Chris Murphy. Is he still raving about Colorsync?

-d
Roger Howard
2011-03-10 21:54:54 UTC
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Post by David Evenson
Post by Roger Howard
Saying Xah's name three times is the only way to summon Xah.
Xah Lee.
Wow, and Chris Murphy. Is he still raving about Colorsync?
Nope, appears to have moved on to other rants.
Jared Earle
2011-03-11 09:33:41 UTC
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Post by Roger Howard
Saying Xah's name three times is the only way to summon Xah.
It worked on Twitter.
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Roger Howard
2011-03-11 17:39:43 UTC
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Oh, Jared, you had to go and poke Chris with a pointy stick. I was worrying the thread might end prematurely.
Lawrence Sica
2011-03-11 17:43:32 UTC
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Post by Roger Howard
Oh, Jared, you had to go and poke Chris with a pointy stick. I was worrying the thread might end prematurely.
Hey being stuck at O'Hare waiting for my flight down to austin this is good entertainment. Speaking of which, anyone gonna be at sxsw?

--Larry
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Rodti MacLeary
2011-03-11 09:57:04 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:36:48 -0500, Charles Bennett
Post by Charles Bennett
but haven't had the heart to drop a latex reference into his comment
area..

Is that in some way analogous to putting an 'unexpected item' in his
'bagging area'?

That's a British supermarket joke, appreciate it may have limited use here.

I'll get my coat.

r.
Arno Hautala
2011-03-11 15:23:44 UTC
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Post by Rodti MacLeary
Is that in some way analogous to putting an 'unexpected item' in his
'bagging area'?
That's a British supermarket joke, appreciate it may have limited use here.
At first I thought it was an airline joke. And, at least in New
England, we have the same automated checkout lines. I cannot hit the
mute button fast enough.
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I'll get my coat.
Don't forget your towel.
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Roger Howard
2011-03-11 17:01:42 UTC
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Post by Arno Hautala
Post by Rodti MacLeary
Is that in some way analogous to putting an 'unexpected item' in his
'bagging area'?
That's a British supermarket joke, appreciate it may have limited use here.
At first I thought it was an airline joke. And, at least in New
England, we have the same automated checkout lines. I cannot hit the
mute button fast enough.
We've got them here too, and they painfully demonstrate how important good UI can be, and how bad UI in an automated system seems sure to cost more than just doing things the old fashioned way.

I was at a grocery store in LA last week, in a hip neighborhood with mostly young iPhone toting customers. There were 2 regular checkstands open - this was at about 7pm, when the store was packed - and a massive line for the 4 automated checkouts. There were 3 checkers *and* a security guard helping out in the automated line, and it was taking longer to get through than in the long lines of the old-school checkout lines. I saw two people forget to take their change; one of the machines crashed while I was in line, causing panic amongst the people who were randomly queued up in its general direction; and mine compulsively refused to scan a perfectly fine looking barcode, despite about 10 attempts, but did it perfectly the second the checker came over.

I've also got a neighborhood store closer to home with a similar system, but I see old ladies use it every day without trouble. It's simple, it will hold your hand but also doesn't complain if, like me, you want to scan fast and furiously. It also works. They have one person overseeing 8 lanes and the only time she gets involved is to check ID for liquor.

Cheers,

R
Lawrence Sica
2011-03-11 17:45:40 UTC
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Post by Roger Howard
Post by Arno Hautala
Post by Rodti MacLeary
Is that in some way analogous to putting an 'unexpected item' in his
'bagging area'?
That's a British supermarket joke, appreciate it may have limited use here.
At first I thought it was an airline joke. And, at least in New
England, we have the same automated checkout lines. I cannot hit the
mute button fast enough.
We've got them here too, and they painfully demonstrate how important good UI can be, and how bad UI in an automated system seems sure to cost more than just doing things the old fashioned way.
I was at a grocery store in LA last week, in a hip neighborhood with mostly young iPhone toting customers. There were 2 regular checkstands open - this was at about 7pm, when the store was packed - and a massive line for the 4 automated checkouts. There were 3 checkers *and* a security guard helping out in the automated line, and it was taking longer to get through than in the long lines of the old-school checkout lines. I saw two people forget to take their change; one of the machines crashed while I was in line, causing panic amongst the people who were randomly queued up in its general direction; and mine compulsively refused to scan a perfectly fine looking barcode, despite about 10 attempts, but did it perfectly the second the checker came over.
For all my love of tech, I hate this kind of automation that removes the human component from various bits. It's like those stupid phone systems you talk to. At least I know how to bypass those and get straight to a person.
Post by Roger Howard
I've also got a neighborhood store closer to home with a similar system, but I see old ladies use it every day without trouble. It's simple, it will hold your hand but also doesn't complain if, like me, you want to scan fast and furiously. It also works. They have one person overseeing 8 lanes and the only time she gets involved is to check ID for liquor.
I guess in some places it makes sense.

--Larry
Roger Howard
2011-03-11 17:55:08 UTC
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Post by Lawrence Sica
Post by Roger Howard
Post by Arno Hautala
Post by Rodti MacLeary
Is that in some way analogous to putting an 'unexpected item' in his
'bagging area'?
That's a British supermarket joke, appreciate it may have limited use here.
At first I thought it was an airline joke. And, at least in New
England, we have the same automated checkout lines. I cannot hit the
mute button fast enough.
We've got them here too, and they painfully demonstrate how important good UI can be, and how bad UI in an automated system seems sure to cost more than just doing things the old fashioned way.
I was at a grocery store in LA last week, in a hip neighborhood with mostly young iPhone toting customers. There were 2 regular checkstands open - this was at about 7pm, when the store was packed - and a massive line for the 4 automated checkouts. There were 3 checkers *and* a security guard helping out in the automated line, and it was taking longer to get through than in the long lines of the old-school checkout lines. I saw two people forget to take their change; one of the machines crashed while I was in line, causing panic amongst the people who were randomly queued up in its general direction; and mine compulsively refused to scan a perfectly fine looking barcode, despite about 10 attempts, but did it perfectly the second the checker came over.
For all my love of tech, I hate this kind of automation that removes the human component from various bits. It's like those stupid phone systems you talk to. At least I know how to bypass those and get straight to a person.
In some cases I prefer it a lot - I'm working on my house and am at HomeDepot and Lowes several times a week. The checkers are stumped, half the time, with the products I'm buying, so it takes me way less time to ring myself up than watch them slowly look through a code book to figure out how to charge me for that one stainless steel bolt. But at a grocery store, particularly one with produce, it's almost always worse than just having a professional checker with the code book memorized; I did that myself when I was 13-16 and I knew every code for every product in our little store within a couple weeks, no scanner needed.

I love personal customer support - I have found the best plumber, electrician, etc, in my area, and they take care of me. I even drive my boat an hour away for service because they guy is unquestionably honest. But most retailers aren't like that anymore - their staff doesn't know shit about their products (ever been to Frys? or even a typical mega-bookstore) so I'll take self-help where I can get it.

-R
Charles Bennett
2011-03-11 22:35:25 UTC
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Post by Rodti MacLeary
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:36:48 -0500, Charles Bennett
Post by Charles Bennett
but haven't had the heart to drop a latex reference into his comment
area..
Is that in some way analogous to putting an 'unexpected item' in his
'bagging area'?
That's a British supermarket joke, appreciate it may have limited use here.
I'll get my coat.
Crap. I'm repeating myself. http://www.mail-archive.com/osx-nutters-2p0koYm/pFtWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org/msg03734.html (from 2008)

Perhaps it's me that should buy some for the good Dr. Tong..

=c=

LuKreme
2011-03-11 01:29:39 UTC
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Post by Roger Howard
I think the only reason I'm still subscribed to the MacOSX-Admin list is the occasional enjoyment I get from watching Shoop perform, so what a pleasure to see Chris Murphy back in action too!
I know! I was thinking the same thing when their little bitch fight exploded. And neither of them has changed even the slightest bit. Shoop is still imperioulsy *right* and Chris is still missing the point.

It warms my heart!
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doing the accounting for the rest of it. Nine-tenths of the universe, in
fact, is the paperwork. --The Thief of Time
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